dick armey was able to create a power center and this wasn't sort of this large -- he had been pushed out of washington, if you will. imagine how jim demint is this unifying force and heritage isn't just the ideas factory but then becomes a campaign factory as well. and all the money gravitates there. he could become, you know, a much more powerful force on the conservative movement and a more than just a thorn in the side of the establishment. >> vern, what do you think? >> i think we're all pretty shocked, i mean, he's had such a big footprint in terms of the conservative movement. you're right, chuck. he could have an even bigger impact outside. i think we're trying to digest what that means right now. >> congressman vern buchanan, good too much you back on the show. chuck, you're on "the daily rundown." do you have it all lined up? >> i do. this new york show. we'll have allen krueger, the chief economist there. >> that's excitinexciting. >> i did. brian williams called and said i had to be here. >> i love it. >> and, gillian, you have a column out about the other fiscal crisis. >